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Best Kept Secret Festival Preview - An Interview With Indian Askin

 

Amsterdam’s Indian Askin are Chino Ayala, Ferry Kunst, Jasja J. Offermans and Bart van der Elst. Their debut album, Sea Of Ethanol, came out last month and continued right where 2015’s eponymous EP left off. They’ve been called nu-punk, now-punk and various other fabricated appellations because they don’t sound like a traditional punk band but they play with the speed and energy of one. Ayala’s intelligent indie pop tunes are married to some frenetic riffing from the frontman and Offermans.

The album tracks are tightly written and executed but check out their live work on YouTube. There’s plenty of it. Indian Askin rock out hard without actually sounding like a rock band. All four members contribute backing vocals and each of them throws everything into the performance. They do all this with a smile on their faces too. Indian Askin are the type of band you want to dance about to, then go for a pint with.

Frontman Chino Ayala spoke to Musos’ Guide.

MG: You’re billed as Dutch-Paraguayan, are you originally from Paraguay?

CA: My father is from Paraguay. I was born and raised in Amsterdam. I’m not really Paraguayan but I like to brag about it.

MG: You’re a big fan of the Dandy Warhols.

CA: I have listened to the Dandy Warhols for more than ten years. I’m a big fan, man. I can’t even explain why. I just love that band.

MG: I can hear them in your music, particularly in ‘Answer’.

CA: Oh yeah, the vibe, the poppiness but kind of edgy, the soundscapes, yeah.

MG: Playing live, the songs are longer, there’s more jamming and instrumental stuff. Do you have a different approach playing live than going in to the studio?

CA: Yeah, I recorded the album myself and then I got the band together. I didn’t want to be a dictator and have them play exactly like the album sounds. I wanted to give them more freedom. That’s why we are rocking way harder than the record. And it’s more fun too, playing loud and stuff.

MG: You can tell that you are enjoying playing together.

CA: We’re best friends now.

MG: This is your first time playing Best Kept Secret.

CA: We went there last year as fans to check it out and now we’re playing this year. It’s the festival of our bookers so it’s an inside job.

MG: Are you a festival person?

CA: No, I hardly ever go. I think Best Kept Secret last year was the first time I went and did camping. I’m more a ‘stay at home and make music’ kind of guy.

MG: I was watching your YouTube videos and I loved the song ‘Roof’.

CA: It’s strange that it’s not on the record. It’s a demo that’s kind of old. Maybe I will put it on the next one. It was just a fun thing. Playing guitar on my mum’s garage, just running around and throwing beers. Sometimes cool songs write themselves when you do stupid shit like that. I’m working on some more videos. It’s hard to say if they will ever make it to record. Maybe I will just leave them on YouTube. It’s a cool thing. There are no rules, man!

MG: Do you play just with your fingers?

CA: In some songs I use fingers because it’s hard to switch between that and grabbing your pick to do the hard stuff, but it’s mostly with the pick. My fingers do hurt with the amount of gigs that we’re doing now. I like to hammer on.

MG: You wrote and recorded the music yourself. How did you get the band together?

CA: Just asking around. I asked other bands. The bass player of another band said “You don’t have a drummer” and gave me this number, “Just call it, you need this dude.” I was just asking around and they magically appeared. I’m not sure how it all went down but now I think this is the best band I ever had. It just happened like this.

We were a three piece and we saw this keyboard player playing with another band on the same night and we said “We need this guy”. We asked him and he said “Yes, I’ll play in your band” and now we have him. The whole process was just a fluid thing. I think it’s meant to be. They all studied at the conservatory in Amsterdam. They are trained musicians, which helps because I have no idea what I am doing! The combination works really well. I know chords now!

MG: Who made you want to play music and be in a band?

CA: Dave Grohl. I used to play drums and I was air-drumming to Bleach, Nevermind and especially In Utero. That was the noise album that made me pick up a guitar for real. It’s a cliché to say Nirvana but everybody listens to Nirvana, it’s a cool band. I used to listen to them all day. I think that’s why it’s so noisy. He was a noisy guitar player.

I had a VHS tape of Metallica at Woodstock. I used to watch that with my brother. We went crazy, all running around and screaming. It inspired me too.

MG: You’ve been touring the record at the moment.

CA: Yeah, we play the whole record and throw in some B-sides. At the same time, we are writing the second record.

MG: Will you do this one the same way?

CA: I still come up with the ideas but I let them fill in the parts a lot more than I used to. It’s not right or fair that I make another record by myself when I have this awesome band.

MG: Anything you want to add for our readers?

CA: Yes, everybody should listen to the Meat Puppets.

Indian Askin play Best Kept Secret on Sunday June 19.

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Tacocat Sit For A Chat With Musos' Guide

 

Tacocat are an excellent pop-punk-rock-surf band from Seattle currently touring their 2nd full length album, Lost Time. Ahead of their show at Electric Circus here in Edinburgh I was given the opportunity to catch up with Emily Nokes, Bree McKenna, Lelah Maupin and Eric Randall.

MG: How is the tour going so far, how are you enjoying being here in the UK?

EN: It’s been good, it’s very cold here.

BM: Scotland’s been the warmest.

EN: Yeah it’s like Seattle in winter. But back home its 80 degrees right now. We are missing our summer.

BM: But yeah it’s been good, this is our third date, we were on a tour of the US a month before. So this is a little bit of a wild culture adjustment. There are so many beautiful old things here; we’re just walking down the street being like what?! It’s insane, it’s like a fairy tale land. It’s endlessly exciting.

MG: I saw some pictures from the Manchester show that looked crazy, like people actually dressed up and stuff which was awesome. You are probably used to it in America but did you expect that to happen here?

LM: No, uh uh.

EN: It was a festival so I guess that was part of it but yeah it was like a weird art project just walking through the crowd. It was really cool.

LM: Sometimes people do it at our shows in the states and it’s just like “grins”.

ER: What did somebody wear, like a shark suit…?

BM: Yeah and he was so cute. He was like Japanese kid who didn’t speak much English and he was just like really enthusiastic and he was like I love you so I wore a shark and that’s basically all he could say. It was so sweet.

MG: Is there anywhere that you guys are really looking forward to playing while you are over here?

ER: We are playing almost all new cities from the last time that we came.

BM: Most of it’s like 90% new. I am excited to go back to Paris because our show there last time was so fun but that’s like one of the only double up’s we are doing besides London, Paris, Berlin and Belgium.

MG: So the reason you guys are on tour is because of your album Lost Time. I got to review it when it came out and I loved it. One of my favourite songs was 'Dana Katherine Scully'. Obviously, sci-fi and aliens especially, are quite a big part of your personality as a band as well as your music and I just wondered where the fascination with that came from for all of you?

EN: Around the time that we were recording the album I was watching all the old X-Files before the new ones came out. I’m also just really in to sci-fi. Sometimes there’s not a lot to do when it gets really cold in Seattle and it’s raining all the time so your just like yeah I’m gunna binge on books and TV so yeah that just kind of like bleed in to the album coz it’s what I was kinda doing at the time.

BM: I’m really in to sci-fi too I think that it’s like a really good way to like express social change coz like there’s a lot of feminism in sci-fi, there just such interesting topics you can bring up.

MG: The other track I loved was 'Horse Grrls'. I have an idea in my head of what I think it’s about and I wondered if it was literally, just about girls who like horses or if there was some other crazy different meaning that I wasn’t really picking up on?

LM: It’s about…..Bree.

BM: I was a horse girl, it was such a big part of being a teenager for me.

EN: I remember horse girls really well coz I grew up in a place called Montana which is like a very Western state, there were horses everywhere.

LM: I remember observing horse girls and just being like whoaaaa.

BM: I actually didn’t have a horse or a lot of contact with horses; it was just like books and stuff. I don’t know, I just think it’s a weird thing that happens to young girls; it’s like really bizarre, all of us know some weird teenage horse girls. It’s kind of an interesting thing to examine.

MG: How did you guys enjoy recording the album? What were your favourite songs to work on?

EN: We really enjoyed recording it. We recorded it with a guy named Erik Blood, he’s just a wizard. He was wonderful and sweet and we drank our weight in Coronas every day. My favourite one? I don’t know, it all felt like a big process.

BM: He had really interesting ideas that we had never tried, like weird little recording ideas. Like where he wanted to record peoples drums or how he wanted to record Emily’s voice. He’s really brilliant, he’s like a queer musician too, makes really cool music and he’s sort of made our sound a little darker.

ER: He doesn’t really do a lot of music like ours either, he does like hip hop and like electronic stuff. It’s the first time we have worked with like a proper producer that had input. I recorded the first album and all the other stuff that we did before that and NVM we recorded with somebody else but we still decided what we wanted to do, this is the first time somebody has told us what to do. For some reason we just trusted him.

LM: We didn’t even know he was going to do that he just did it. Like when we first heard the first song fully mixed, I was like, wow the bass sounds great and he was like well, have you ever heard my stuff? And I was like uhhhh yeah, I’m so sorry!

MG: The other thing you guys were working on recently was the Powerpuff Girls them tune. How did that come about?

BM: It was a weird email. We always take a long time to email back and I remember I was like walking to work and I was like you guys Cartoon Network just emailed us! I think I called them back maybe like 5 minutes after I saw that email. But it was like a very long process, you know like very professional?

MG: Was that difficult?

BM: Yeah coz we didn’t write the song, they had the composer write it so it was a little bit difficult. They were like here’s sheet music and we need the drummer to play to a click track which is all things we can’t do. We were just like we’re a punk band, we write our own stuff, this is not how we do things so we had to adjust a lot to our process.

LM: I guess thought it was cool to have a really pro experience, like to pull it off.

MG: Would you do something like that again, if it was something equally as cool?

BM: Yeah if it was something that we all liked. I think we would want to stream line the process a little more coz it was very confusing, a lot of going to different departments, so like that part was a little bit less fun than yay I want to play a Powerpuff Girls song. Yeah it took quite a long time. It was really cool, I’m glad we did it but it was like a really long process.

LM: Yeah we had to put all of our stuff on side which kind of stressed us out.

ER: We lost about a month of time.

LM: But yeah you don’t look a gift horse in the mouth and it was very cool to be part of it, it was just a bit like, whew.

MG: Visually you guys are obviously very bright and awesome and colourful and the videos that have been done for this album look amazing, I love the one for Talk. Who did you work with on those videos?

EN: For the 'Talk' video we worked with the same person who made the 'Crimson Wave' video.

BM: Marcy Stone-Francois.

EN: Jessica Aceti made 'I Hate The Weekend', the one with the big heads? She’s awesome. And then Lelah and I made the Scully video with just some wigs and shoulder pads.

ER: We had to make a green screen.

LM: Yeah that’s true we had to make our own green screen, that was hard. That did take the longest but it worked and Emily was just an uncanny Scully.

MG: At the moment there seem to be a lot more female lead bands around. Do you think there is a reason for that?

BM: Things are much better than they were 8 years ago. When we first started and we were touring people would say sexist things to us, we wouldn’t get matched with people who had the same values and now I think that the community is very supporting. Especially in Seattle, like Lisa Prank and Pony Time, Chastity Bet and like Mommy Longlegs, those are all like amazing bands and they're on the rise because there is a space cleared out where it’s not just like bro punk types.

EN: Yeah like we are all paving the way for each other. Making it easier for other women to come up through the scene and not have to deal with wading through that crap.

BM: And there’s a lot more cooler young women like yourselves who didn’t seem to exist as much.

ER: Punk is music for marginalised groups but it reached this point where it was all like male punk bands and it was like what do you have to be upset about? And I remember realising when we first started, this is something so important. It just clicked in my head this is a really awesome thing we are doing and I should have put it on a t-shirt back then “the future is female”, that’s how I felt at the time without knowing how to say it.

LM: The times have changed.

BM: And it’s for the better, it’s really positive, I’m really happy how it’s turning out right now.

MG: Do you have any advice for girls that are in bands now, both here and in the US?

EN: Start a band with your best friends!

ER: It’s important, like in Seattle it’s not like competitive; we all support each other, that’s probably the most important thing, staying together.

 

BM – Yeah it’s very special.

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In Profile : Too Pure Singles Club

 

A slightly different aspect of the record industry gets the In Profile treatment this month. I've personally subscribed to the Too Pure Singles Club for the last four or five years so it seemed a good idea to put a few questions to Paul Riddlesworth there and find out how it continues to be excellent value for money and a leading champion of fledgling bands.

MG: The club has it’s 100th release coming out in April which, by my shoddy maths, means it’s been in existence for eight years now. Before we get down to talking about it’s current form though can you fill us in on the history behind it? I remember buying releases by Seefeel and others on Too Pure back in the Nineties – how then did the label become the Singles Club?

PR: Back in 2008 both the Beggars Banquet label and Too Pure were streamlined into 4AD at the time. We somehow wanted to keep the ethos of Too Pure alive without putting out long players so we decided to start up the TPSC. Most of our labels (under the Beggars umbrella) focus mainly on American artists so we wanted to be a label whose primary goal was to find mainly awesome UK bands. That said we have put out DZ Deathrays, Jeff The Brotherhood and Bear Hands. But hey, mainly UK, especially Leeds ... I've put out a LOT by Leeds bands. 

MG: Describe for us the selection process for the bands involved. For that matter who decides on the 7” artwork and indeed the colour of vinyl any particular release is going to be on?

PR: Its a lot of gig going, recommendations from other bands and keeping in touch with the indie shops up and down the country as no one knows better than them about good local artists. 

Every single release is down to the artists themselves. they have total creative control - from choosing which songs to release to artwork to vinyl colour. Its essentially their release and, to quote Annie Lennox, "Who am I to Disagree?"

MG: Other similar clubs pop up but never remain constant – Polyvinyl Records had one for the last couple of years but seem to not in 2016, Matador have periodically operated one, whilst Fortuna Pop! have one currently that’s rather more ad hoc in its release schedule than Too Pure etc. Do you put that down to deadlines being a chore to maintain – having to have one release per month without fail for possibly less return than on regular releases? Do you work up a slight backlog so that if one act can’t for whatever reason have a tune recorded in time there’s at least one in the can which can be pressed up?

PR: One of the main issues is trying to maintain the quality of the releases, which i think throughout the eight years I've managed to do. Some may disagree but no one's going to like everything we do, that would be spooky. I also like to have the releases sorted as up front as possible. This year we're up to November already which is going to be a bloody cracker even if i do say so myself ...

MG: Sticking with the cost of things you’ve consistently, over the five years or so that I’ve personally kept signing up, pegged the cost of membership at a very good price, averaging (I think) around only just over £3 for each disc including postage in the UK. If it’s not a trade secret how has that been possible, given the cost of the production of discs and in comparison to the £4 and upwards you’d expect to pay via bandcamp or at gigs or in stores?

PR: If i'm honest we probably should charge a bit more, as we just about break even but as a label we're not primarily about making money we're more bothered about supporting up and coming bands and hopefully giving them a starting chance. 

MG: Do you have a regular core of returnees year on year? And how many copies of each disc are ever made? Given the numbers on ones I’ve had over the years my guess has always been 500 per release. (As an aside to this – what eventually happens with any leftovers?).

PR: We do get a lot coming back for more, some years are better than others. We make up 500 of each release, 50 go to the band and we also send 100 to the indies. Even though we're primarily a subscription label its important to look after the indies, we have some fantastic shops up and down the country.

MG: The club had its first LP out for Record Store Day 2016, a ‘Greatest Hits’ to date if you like. How did you pick the tracks to include on it? Taking Record Store Day itself do you think it still serves the purpose it was intended for? I remember last year Steven from Bis being a bit of a dissenting voice and reckoning the major labels had now hijacked the whole affair with reissues of old rock albums.

PR: I'm so excited about this. Its called Pay No Attention and its on magenta coloured vinyl. It was an absolute ball ache choosing, however each year I do an end of year poll to subscribers to see who they liked and hated so that helped a little. There are definitely some I regret not putting on. Maybe there will be a follow up next year if this goes ok ...  

RSD is both a blessing and a curse. It's a curse as major labels clog up our pressing plants to reissue utter dross that you can find in any charity shop up and down the country for a fraction of the price and there are way too many releases for it. Some more dubious than others. Its a blessing though as it does still get people into record shops, it's been said many, many, many times before record shops are for life not just for RSD.

MG: Finally - what is the club’s 100th release set to be and what other acts can we look forward to discs by in the coming months?

PR: Our 100th release is going to be by ex-Mansun frontman Paul Draper, his first new material since Mansun 10 years ago. I was a massive fan so it's an absolute honour to have him on board. We've also got coming up Grim Brides for May, False Advertising for June and Seazoo for July. I'll keep the rest of the year as a surprise : )
 
Many thanks to Paul for taking the time to fill us in on the running of the TPSC. My future custom's assured and you can sign up here.
 
For your listening pleasure here's one side of this month's release:-
 
 
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Best Kept Secret Festival Preview - An Interview With Ryley Walker

 

Continuing our build-up to Best Kept Secret, enigmatic guitar whizz Ryley Walker spoke with us. The mercurial Chicagoan has released four albums in the last three years. His most recent work, Cannots, is an hour of live improvisation with fellow Illinois musician, Charles Rumback. He’s been called “the reincarnation of the true American guitar player” and his songs encompass modern folk, free jazz, and wild, experimental finger-picked guitars.

His sound is often compared to Van Morrison’s classic albums, and those of the late Nick Drake. Fans of Tim Buckley, John Martyn and The Grateful Dead have been praising his dense instrumentation and hypnotic tunes. He has toured with Joanna Newsom and Danny Thompson of Pentangle recently and played at the Bert Jansch tribute shows in Glasgow.

Here’s what the psych-folk troubadour had to say to Musos’ Guide.

MG: You have just played in Whelan's, the spiritual home of live music in Dublin, as part of your Irish tour. How did that go for you? Have you been to Ireland before?

RW: Had a wonderful gig. Never had a bad time in Dublin. Always treated me very well.

MG: You'll be back to play in London next month and playing festival dates too. How do find the reaction in the UK?

RW: A lot of people are very nice. I enjoy my friends and label family there very much.

MG: You've released lots of material the past couple of years, did you have a backlog of songs that you wanted to get out? Can we expect the frenetic pace to continue?

RW: There's not a lot of material sitting around as far as songs go. Lots of old weird stuff with old bands laying around. I have doubts anybody will put them out. I have a new record out in August.

MG: You have an interesting choice of musicians to play with. The piano on ‘Primrose Green’ is like Bowie’s Aladdin Sane and experimental guitar on ‘Sweet Satisfaction’ adds a whole other dimension to the music. How do you choose who to work with? And do they have carte blanche to experiment on the individual tracks?

RW: I choose by closest friends in Chicago. There typically is a general theme to roll with, after that they can go nuts.

MG: You have toured with Cian Nugent. How did that come about?

RW: I met Cian through mutual friends in music, and eventually went to Ireland and we hung out. From there, we became fast friends and went on tour. I love him dearly. Very close friend and big influence for me.

MG: Are you happy with comparisons with Tim Buckley and John Martyn? Are you tired of hearing them?

RW: Yes, I'm pretty tired of hearing them.

MG: It’s your first time at Best Kept Secret. Who will you have playing with you there? What kind of set can we expect?

RW: I think the band will be a quartet. Lots of new material and sonic experiments! I have lots of new gear I'm excited to mess around with.

MG: You are a keen improviser. You even made a full length album improvised for Record Store Day. Will you do more projects like that?

RW: I'll always make new music - songwriting or otherwise. All signs point to releasing more hopefully. Just all economics and time management I suppose.

Ryley Walker will be playing on Sunday June 19 at Best Kept Secret, and will be back in the UK on Monday June 6 in London’s Oval Space and Caught by The River Thames on Saturday August 6.

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An Interview With Leena Ojala

There is something hypnotic about Leena Ojala. Her debut EP, EP1, was released last year via 51Den Music and it's been embedded in our minds ever since. This month, as part of a project that will see her release a track every month in 2016, she's releasing an original and a remix of the track 'Poison Words'. Having been captivated by her 'indie electronica' since the release of EP1 — in which her lush vocals were laid over shimmering layers of electronica that shifted between alternative and pop — we thought it high time that we spoke to Leena herself. 

MG: Hi Leena, 2016 has been a busy year so far. Tell us where your head is currently at.

LO: I’m making plenty of new music and collaborating with others. Live performance is also very important to me, and I'm trying to make inroads into the festival scene at the moment.

MG: What did you learn from 2015 that you have applied to 2016?

LO: Ahead of releasing EP1, I released the lead track ‘Why’ and the D/R/U/G/S 404 Remix of the same track as singles. They both received plenty of attention. I also have two other tracks in my EP which didn’t get the same attention, although I feel they are strong as well. For that reason, I will focus more on dropping singles instead.

MG: The response to your debut EP was very warm. Does that apply pressure as you move ahead with your career?

LO: I feel that my writing is getting better and collaboration with others is taking my music to a different level. I am really looking forward to releasing new material which I already have waiting to be released. I have some exciting things happening that I can't talk about yet!

MG: What was the most helpful feedback you received?

LO: It would have to be holding back on my vocals and that way getting more emotion to the song. I had a tendency of going all out with my vocals when it wasn’t necessary.

MG: What was the funniest response you heard?

LO: My video for 'Why' was covered in The Fader under the heading "7 Europeans That Are Making Pop A Safe Space For Weirdos". The article highlighted and discussed my eyebrow movements in the video. But it was great to be covered in The Fader!

MG: How has the positive response altered your ambitions?

LO: I did receive a positive response and I’m really grateful for that.  I think in music things generally happen slowly but there may be some triggers that can change things quickly.  I am not relying on the latter.  I am in this for long term and I feel I’m heading in the right direction.  Ambition is one thing you must have as a serious musician.

MG: If you had to define your sound to a stranger, what one sentence would you use?

LO: I would say my sound is electronic, haunting and dark with emphasis on structure and the vocals.

MG: If you could be filed between two artists in a record store, who would they be and why?

LO: I would pick Sade and Amy Winehouse. Both from different times and very different singers. But they both have that special unique emotion in their voices.

MG: We spotted that you have played a couple of dates recently - what is the Leena Ojala live experience?

LO: I am happy with the feedback I have received in the gigs. People come to me afterwards and tell me nice things about my music. My band and I always make sure that we are all well rehearsed and give our best wherever we are. We love performing and I’m really happy with our set. I am also doing a stripped back acoustic set with two guys where I play the guitar in addition to doing the vocals. On my main electronic set I just focus on the vocals. I really missed playing the guitar which I used to do as a solo act.

MG: What venue do you dream of performing at?

LO: I really wanted to get to The Great Escape this year but I think it’s too late now.  But I will be playing at a festival this summer — I'm just waiting for the final confirmation. People keep on telling us that our sound needs a bigger stage.

MG: Your sound is very structured. Do you have to make a lot of alterations for a live show?

LO: Not really since all the preparation has been done to include some synth sounds in the set, but we are generally close to the recorded sound.

MG: Lastly, tell us one secret that you have not shared in an interview before.

LO: I can be quite clumsy. I once worked in a pub and I dropped this guy’s fish and chips on his lap – and he was wearing a suit.

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In the coming months, we can look forward to further releases from Leena along with both electronic and acoustic live dates. For more information, check out her website and Twitter. The video for the single 'Little Place' is online now and you can check out her previous releases (including EP1) on iTunes

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Best Kept Secret Festival Preview : An Interview With Bewilder

 

Continuing our build-up to Best Kept Secret, we spoke with Dutch band Bewilder, who play on Saturday 18th June. Formed by Maurits Westerik following the break-up of Gem, Bewilder are something of a Dutch supergroup. Westerik holed up in a cabin on the island of Vlieland with his friends, Arjan Kamphuis from Billy Kingsize, Bram Hakkens from the Kyteman Orchestra, Jeroen Overman who plays with Tim Knol and Arjen de Bock from The Black Atlantic. The resulting album, Dear Island, is a mature and exciting work, with overtones of Roxy Music and Neil Young. Maurits told us about the album, his new musical adventures, and his attitude to life in general.

MG: Your new album has just come out.

MW: Yes indeed. It’s a little bit over half a year now. It came out late August/early September. The whole way through it was really, really nice, a new objective for us to make something that we really wanted to make but also discovering new ways with each other in our friendship, with our love for the music. And also seeking new dimensions in sound and songs. Finally we got there. It has become an album and it’s great to spread the word, and perform an album for people. It was really good to us. It’s been quite a ride already. We're still enjoying it.

MG: You have a load of shows coming up between now the festivals starting.

MW: Yeah, it’s a lot. For the Dutch circuit we will be performing at least once or twice a week. It’s a lot. We started in August with Into The Great Wide Open festival in Vlieland, which is a very nice island. Only 2000 people living there. That was the only show booked for that period of time. And we had three more small capacity shows, in Utrecht, our home town, Amsterdam, and one in the south. And we thought maybe by Christmastime it will end and it is what it is. Of course we enjoyed recording and making the album but you never know what will be on the way and what will be coming up next. It was such a nice experience.

That we started up in January at the Eurosonic festival that you might have heard of. That did a really good job for us. We performed for 1500-2000 people and there were lots of agents and bookers, and other labels checking us out. We did a job and we nailed it in a way. People liked it and then there was a whole new second lap for this year. So from being recording artists we are now also performing artists.

MG: You've been around the block before. You've done it all before with Gem so you're coming at this with the knowledge of how it all works and bringing that into Bewilder.

MW: Yeah indeed, that is true. It really gives me a lot of confidence. I feel good about it because I started as a professional musician when I was 20 or 21, which is quite young. But also nice because you don’t feel any boundary or any wall. You’re just doing it because you’re doing it. The people around you support that. But on the other hand the most interesting part of the 11-12 years of Gem was learning to really discover what kind of musician I wanted to be. Discover new genres, new music and, in a way, It really felt good. We weren’t really friends in the beginning. We did become friends but in the beginning I did an audition to become the singer of a new band called Gem.  Which is a whole different start when you compare it to Bewilder. It was a lot of work. And I think we played, six years in a row, a hundred shows a year. Such an experience. It was great getting to record and do what we liked but it also turned into this whole thing of indie singles and hit singles. I felt we got a little bit stuck in this sound, in this genre. Also with the whole new rock n roll thing you had at the time, with The Strokes and The Libertines, bands like that. For me as a musician I got a bit stuck in that way. You grow older and people make decisions. People want to buy houses. Thinking about mortgages more than thinking about guitars. And they moved on. Which in the end is good for everybody. To be ten years around with your band on a daily basis is a full-on job. What every musician will say after a couple of years, apart form your girlfriend, they are the closest people around you. When it ended up I was in this wilderness of ideas. I had all that experience with me. I was seeking a new journey and it all came to the core, which was songwriting and making music which feels good in every little way. And step away from all the expectations around you. We found each other on this beautiful island and every time we became better and more focused on things like sound, and musical editing, and musical stories. Not “We need to do this” Or “We need to do that”. This whole need to make music embraced me and I embraced it too from the beginning. It’s nice to be a musician with all this behind me. And this is like a new marriage in a way. You respect all the years you've been through before with your former wife but hopefully you became a better person and make it better.

MG: That’s a really good way to put it. A lot of people say being in a band is like being married to a group of people.

MW: It is, yeah, it’s bizarre. You don’t think about it too much. You shouldn’t think about it too much. And all the people enjoying your shows, they don’t think about it. But actually it is. Almost 80 or 90 percent of band life is just being together. All these stories, things happening at home, you just forget it. You're just fitted in to one small van or rehearsal room. And even during the recording process you have a full day job. Five days a week. Probably you feel different every morning about your job. You didn’t sleep well or something. That happens to people in a band too. And then all the pressure and expectation from yourself as well. That’s a lot to deal with. But I like it. It’s just life. You should taste it and make your own version of it.

MG: You can hear that new freedom on Dear Island because the music is so varied.

MW: I appreciate that. We had some doubts of course. Especially during the mixing process. “Where is this record going?” In a good way. I’ve always been a lover of varied albums. I was listening in the last couple of days to the record from Paul McCartney, Paul McCartney II, which is just such an amazing record. Its so varied and so personal. Its not that I’m a huge Paul McCartney fan but it’s always nice to discover a more varied albums of personal songs. This is a great example. There was a point in the whole time period that we were recording that I thought I should see this like my daily life. Every day is different. In the morning when you wake up you have a totally different feeling about the day in front of you if you compare it to eight hours later. There’s so much going on in one day. Also the record is sometimes like a photo collage or a recollection of being somewhere. Trying to go your own way.

Also for us, as Bewilder, it refers to the band name. The life we are feeling right now. You do stuff and it just happens, and you just let it go. What songs have you heard from the album?

MG: I really like ‘The Unknown’ and I’ve been watching the video for ‘Forza’ over and over.

MW: Even on these two titles it's a different world. Such a different feeling with the song. On the other hand they do have some similarities. ‘The Unknown’ is about seeing in yourself what is happening right now and whether it will be there in 10 years, 20 years. And also celebrating the fact that you grow older and all those things that are unknown or becoming apparent. It doesn’t make you feel any less confident but even more confident. It’s your responsibility.

‘Forza’ is like a day. You wake up slowly when the sun comes up and the rhythm of the day goes faster and gets louder and louder and the point is to go for it, to make it happen, to feel the power. Just being a person and being happy with all the things you have already. They’re the themes I guess. Although they sound very different from each other, at the end they are another page of the book.

MG: Is there something about Kurt Vonnegut in' So It Goes'? In Slaughterhouse Five every chapter ends 'And so it goes.'

MW: I heard about that. I should read it. It's interesting. It’s destiny I guess. Once I discovered the feeling, that it just goes where it goes, it gave me more air to breathe, and less rushed. Just feeling comfortable in where we are now instead of being worried all the time, about where we should go and aren’t able to go. So it goes. I always keep that in mind. Every morning we try our best. Slaughterhouse Five? We have a long drive tomorrow maybe I will buy this book and, at least, start it.

MG: It's quite strange but it’s a good story.

MW: I like it strange. Like Twin Peaks, it really does inspire us. It looks familiar but you're not really sure what you are looking at. The visual part but also the whole storyline. It’s very confusing but it looks like very typical day to day situations which turn out to be weird situations. The good thing about Twin Peaks I think, at a turning point in the series you don’t know, or want to know, where it actually should go. You just leave it. You're sucked in to it. You just buy into it. I’m not able to solve it. I have no solution or answer for it. Probably no one had, so you just live with it. For me that’s also how the world works. So it goes.

MG: You'll be playing at Best Kept Secret with Editors and you toured with them before.

MW: That's right, hopefully we'll still know each other! We do, of course. It’s been a while though. We played in Dublin at the Ambassador. It was very special. It’s there on that beautiful square. And the backstage, and the lovely red chairs, all the wood. It was a very nice tour to do especially for a young band going on tour with such a popular band. I learned a lot. One of those moments when you are working with these amazing, well organized, cherry-picked productions with other bands. Like with Editors, and with Arctic Monkeys, and couple more at the time. It was a great way of learning how to stay alive on tour. The preparation. They were really good times. Hopefully we can support those kinds of bands with Bewilder too because it’s a nice feeling that you have to convince every single man and woman in the venue that you are a band to remember. I like that a lot.

I’m looking forward to Best Kept Secret so much. It’s one of my favourite festivals. We wanted to go. We would have bought tickets anyway. Lots of our favourite bands are performing this year, and the last couple of years. I am a huge fan of Beck and we love Wilco too. Jamie xx is doing very interesting things. Air too. When I grew up and was buying the first vinyl records, I was into this whole strange pop disco. At the time you had Air, you had Phoenix, and The Avalanches. It was an amazing time for those dreamy pop disco records. It still is. I was listening to a new artist called Kevin Morby. You should check it out its very dreamy and bit weird a bit Nick Cave-ish. Its very interesting stuff. There’s so much good music out here. Sometimes I wonder why I am doing this. There’s already so much you can see, but if it keeps coming then I will keep making records too. It’s nice to be part of it, of music. There’s a lot of energy.

We got hit with the tragic news that Prince died. It’s too bizarre. So suddenly and so young. I’m 34 now and even 57 doesn’t sound that far way. I’m still surprised by the whole thing. You think you have everything in hand, or at least your hands are on it. And he was such a great musician and it just suddenly ends. So it goes.

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